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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Fri Apr 29, 2011 3:46 pm

Shin Edit: b/c i'm this isn't an argument i'm going to break down the text wall (dun need you confusing ppl w/wrong info)
it looks like you have some questions
they go to the respective boards

Shin Edit 2: "Signature | Effect: range = 20 ft per level, accuracy = 20% per level"
* I forgot signature was changed to max @ 100 ft (big woop) so you could have sensed it coming
But still by the time you sensed it, you'd been hit unless it was a bullettime scenario
The token vs the pillars does give you plus one bringing you strong
The untrans still takes you out of the Krodha Transa Transformation

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ps - you have my permission to cry bout abuse of power xD i can at least give you that, but cry quietly in the corner plz
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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Sun May 01, 2011 12:47 pm

Since it's over, I'm just going to comment that when discussing things with Kaz you have to realize that the thing he draws attention to is a diversion. This attributes and reaction do not matter because he confirmed the scenario of getting hit exactly as Shin described. 'How,' you ask? Simple. He discretely tried to do something which he shouldn't be able to do, which is alter the timeline in Shin's post. A brief example is this:

Shin's post occurred during the sigil drawing whereas Rayje is actually speaking while Mukhya is drawing the symbol on the ground. During this time, it's stated that the restoration is halfway complete, explaining why the Kunashi aren't fully up and how Tiamat would have access into an otherwise closed off indoor area. Due to the fact that Shin's post occurred within and in response to what Kaz posted, it means that the timeline was progressed less than a few seconds at the most. The attack comes as an interruption to Rayje's words, meaning that it stopped her question before it could be fully asked.

So what does Kaz do? He adjusts time so that he finishes drawing the icon and the Kunashi were already awoken (something that is stated to occur because of Rayje's preceding attack). He has Rayje's movements to him delayed having her come to his side instead of having her already there as per Shin's post. In Kaz's version, she asks him if he is okay after he's already drawn the sigil out post resurrection of the other Kunashi, who apparently are getting up now. This negates Shin's timeline and statement of "...she crouches with him and watches him draw..."

The largest time discrepancy is when he answers Rayje. The Pillar who was cut off in her question by Tiamat's attack, is given roughly a 20s reply. There is no window for this reply, so it's blatantly obvious that he Chronomoded. The chromomod was performed by changing the order of his actions based on how Rayje and Tiamat responded to him, which is against the rules. Why was this done? It was done to justify his BS responds which Shin marked as modding. When you take the approach that, in the timeline set by the site, he would have been killed around saying the word "I," then the rest of his post can be deemed a dream state or delusion and ignored. Due to the fact that he confirms not taking any type of moving actions until after saying his words, he auto interrupts himself, meaning -all- of his actions are voided, thus making the RP that much easier to progress. Then it doesn't matter how fast he can respond or react in his situation because it's not applicable.

So the reason it gets tricking in pointing out that he modded is because he layers his mod and draws attention to the lesser of all of them. I will point out, however, that there's no way a chanted spell is going to beat out a queued anti-chanted spell; I did like that part.

I will note for the member base that the technique used to counter ambushes that would have been relevant in this case would have been Reactor. Kaz does have it, but it's only at Trained, so he knew before posting that it wouldn't have been helpful in this situation as it could have failed. Of course he had other ways he could have evaded, but he wanted to die a certain way, which is simply because he's Kaz and has control issues. How dare his character not die in the best way possible?

TL:DR version; Kaz's movement god mods don't matter due to the fact that he negated them via his own chronomodding. Still, he's dead, so let's all rejoice.

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Mon May 02, 2011 11:30 am

lol

dun go startin mess

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Mon May 02, 2011 12:49 pm

Since he wanted to speak... hey genius... since all of our posts have the potential to be interrupted, guess what that means... that anything in a post is subject to, wait for it... INTERRUPTION. If I plan to pimpslap you in the right side of your face so that you can stfu and get back into pocket, but you know your role and place and beg for mercy, then obviously, I wouldn't slap you or say all the things that would follow you being smacked. That's generally why if you notice in a lot of my posts that I expect things to get interrupted or miss or one effect to take place on the first try, I have a second paragraph that specifies that already states the Plan B or What If scenario. When I don't expect my post to be interrupted, I don't post the alternative path, I simply respond in my following post to adjust how my actions would have gone. Mukhya is not a novice at battle, so he would OBVIOUSLY adjust in real time if something didn't work.

Also, Reactor works for ambushes (BUT DOESN'T WORK IN BATTLE) and Tiamat wasn't hiding or cloaked. She literally flew really, really fast to make it to us. Shin doesn't say anything about her portaling in. Therefore, as I told him, Mukhya would have been able to see her coming.

This issue has been dead, so once again...

STFU!
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PostSubject: kyro and kaz's rants   Mon May 02, 2011 2:44 pm

I didn't read most of that. I saw chronomod several times read a couple of words, saw reactor and trained and that was enough to formulate my response to a dead issue.

I had written out a very condescending post b/c I don't like your attention-whorish self. Instead, I will address you civilly.

Reactor - useless as it doesn't work in battle. Tell me this, if you can SEE visually a baseball coming at you, are you going to stand there?

Chronomodding - a post is a prediction not a fact, hence why we can't confirm our own actions and others can't confirm them, only Shin. Since he controls the field, we have to react to him. My post "predicted" that I would do Actions A, B, & C. They do not anticipate interruptions to A, B, or C therefore, if Shin brings Tiamat to arrive while I'm doing A, B, & C and I can SEE her coming b/c of Omnivision and Speed of Syte (both passive thus always in effect) then YES, I am going to change what I would have done in a situation. That's not chronomodding, that's common sense. This happened to prevent what I was going to do, so instead I would do this here and then proceed with this and that.

Also, chronomodding would have been a valid complaint if I had've changed anything significant. Like I said to Shin, the ONLY difference is that Mukhya got impaled in the chest not the back. Oh and Soul Ripper which took him 3s in the midst of being attacked. All outcomes played out the same.

Let us note as well that when Shin brought in Ai'des, he too went back and since Mukhya was moving, he had moved Ai'des as well after posting Ai'des in different location since it was based on my locations being in a separate area. Now why did he do this, b/c my response altered how his response would have to go since Ai'des would obviously adjust. Did he change his fundamental actions? No. Sound familiar.

Suggestion: if you're gonna try to call me out on every single thing (and generally get it wrong) then at least have the ballz to try and call Shin out on his "manipulations" of rules and tech interpretations. If you're too scared to do that, then STFU and quit pestering me. I have limited time to post as it is, so wasting time reading and responding to your crap is rather annoying and tiresome.
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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Mon May 02, 2011 6:44 pm

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lol, but he said you interrupted yourself Razz still, u gotta point bout the reactor xD
kaz 1 kyro 1
Shin... as a rule of thumb, it's best not to agree with Kaz since he's always wrong; please etch that into your heart.

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Also, Reactor works for ambushes (BUT DOESN'T WORK IN BATTLE) and Tiamat wasn't hiding or cloaked. She literally flew really, really fast to make it to us. Shin doesn't say anything about her portaling in. Therefore, as I told him, Mukhya would have been able to see her coming.
You weren't in battle, genius. No one was actively attacking you and you had no prior knowledge to Tiamat coming after you; therefore it would be a 'surprise' attack since you weren't expecting it. Another word for surprise attack is?... Yeah, reactor was made for that scenario.

Next business:

Shin already pointed out that I basically called that you interrupted yourself; so all parties agree there. As for claiming you didn't chronomod: The site states no "Chrono Gaming: reversing time to change your posts after posting a response." What the site says not to do rejects your theory of what a post is. Since what we're told not to do is on the site, and your definition of a post that you pulled from your ass isn't, I'm going to wager you're wrong.

Shin's a GM, so he controls the field, not you, so why would I call the one writing out how the story goes? You're dumb. At least you admitted to chronomodding and inability to use Reactor; that's all that's really important I guess.

Are you arguing back because you don't want others to think you're wrong, or you really think your... yeah right, you're not -that- dumb. You must think you have equal story controlling power as Shin or something? How delusional can a member be?

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Tue May 03, 2011 1:08 pm

1) Psh! Bish plz!

2) Follow me on this okay. Mukhya can see everything around him. Fact! He has Omnivision. Mukhya can see pretty much anything moving around him. Fact! He also has Speed of Syte. Mukhya can see at least 120 yards away (I can as a RL human and he's a spirit with higher attributes) so as soon as she came within that 120 yards or the 10 FOOT NAILS shot at him came within sight... HE CAN SEE THEM! So I NEVER needed to use Reactor b/c unless someone is invisible or teleports in on him or his Omnivision is somehow obstructed then yeah, he can't be ambushed.

So...
Q: How can you ambush someone that can see you coming without having to look at you?
A: You can't.

Next... there's chaos and fighting going on all around Mukhya so how isn't he in battle? If you fall back to regroup ON A BATTLEFIELD, are you not still in battle? Or does the fact that the enemy is over there and not quite where you are suddenly remove you from battle? I thought that's about as logical as the child playing Hide & Seek believing that if he can't see anyone then they can't see him.

New Business: So you just confirmed that Shin chronomodded then by that definition listed. Next, I never reversed time. And I didn't interrupt myself b/c if Tiamat never shows up or shows up after I finish everything I wrote in my previous post then I don't change a thing. Duh. Shin's post clearly states that she shows up before I would have finished my post. Therefore, I must now adjust to new stimuli that Shin introduced (Tiamat's arrival). SHIN placed that action early on in my post's chronology therefore altering what was to come later.

And you seriously asked that, why would you call out Shin? Easy, so that things are fair and balanced and if he makes a mistake to point it out so that he doesn't perpetuate a falsehood that will later confuse ppl. You know... what you CLAIM to do in bothering me all the time. The Shindows updates prove that wait for it... even as GM, Shin is human and has to fix things or adjust/clarify things so if he intends for something to work this way and the description or effect says that it works that way, we kinda have to point that out. I know that's basically the only reason he keeps me around.

Being a GM doesn't mean that he should manipulate techs and such to force things to flow as he already has planned. Considering that I've done table top rping as well, the GMs (even when I ran campaigns) had to react or postpone certain things when the chars did something to alter original plans. You know... that thing that the members are forced to do, but VERY rarely do we see reciprocated.

It isn't a matter of equal power b/c I don't want that headache. I prefer to work behind the scenes. The simple fact of the matter is that if you're gonna call BS, then call it across the board. Quit cowering just b/c it's Shin. I mean seriously, if he hasn't banned me yet, how much trouble can YOU his poster child and golden boy get into? Hence, I just think you're scared of him. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Tue May 03, 2011 2:07 pm

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1) Psh! Bish plz!

2) Follow me on this okay. Mukhya can see everything around him. Fact! He has Omnivision. Mukhya can see pretty much anything moving around him. Fact! He also has Speed of Syte. Mukhya can see at least 120 yards away (I can as a RL human and he's a spirit with higher attributes) so as soon as she came within that 120 yards or the 10 FOOT NAILS shot at him came within sight... HE CAN SEE THEM! So I NEVER needed to use Reactor b/c unless someone is invisible or teleports in on him or his Omnivision is somehow obstructed then yeah, he can't be ambushed.

So...
Q: How can you ambush someone that can see you coming without having to look at you?
A: You can't.

Next... there's chaos and fighting going on all around Mukhya so how isn't he in battle? If you fall back to regroup ON A BATTLEFIELD, are you not still in battle? Or does the fact that the enemy is over there and not quite where you are suddenly remove you from battle? I thought that's about as logical as the child playing Hide & Seek believing that if he can't see anyone then they can't see him.

New Business: So you just confirmed that Shin chronomodded then by that definition listed. Next, I never reversed time. And I didn't interrupt myself b/c if Tiamat never shows up or shows up after I finish everything I wrote in my previous post then I don't change a thing. Duh. Shin's post clearly states that she shows up before I would have finished my post. Therefore, I must now adjust to new stimuli that Shin introduced (Tiamat's arrival). SHIN placed that action early on in my post's chronology therefore altering what was to come later.

And you seriously asked that, why would you call out Shin? Easy, so that things are fair and balanced and if he makes a mistake to point it out so that he doesn't perpetuate a falsehood that will later confuse ppl. You know... what you CLAIM to do in bothering me all the time. The Shindows updates prove that wait for it... even as GM, Shin is human and has to fix things or adjust/clarify things so if he intends for something to work this way and the description or effect says that it works that way, we kinda have to point that out. I know that's basically the only reason he keeps me around.

Being a GM doesn't mean that he should manipulate techs and such to force things to flow as he already has planned. Considering that I've done table top rping as well, the GMs (even when I ran campaigns) had to react or postpone certain things when the chars did something to alter original plans. You know... that thing that the members are forced to do, but VERY rarely do we see reciprocated.

It isn't a matter of equal power b/c I don't want that headache. I prefer to work behind the scenes. The simple fact of the matter is that if you're gonna call BS, then call it across the board. Quit cowering just b/c it's Shin. I mean seriously, if he hasn't banned me yet, how much trouble can YOU his poster child and golden boy get into? Hence, I just think you're scared of him. ^_^

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Shin... as a rule of thumb, it's best not to agree with Kaz since he's always wrong; please etch that into your heart.

kaz is wrong!

wow! that's a LOT easier than reading what he wrote
thx kyro!

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Tue May 03, 2011 3:21 pm

I... HATE... YOU!
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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Tue May 03, 2011 4:02 pm

lol. let me apply my new learning tool...

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I... HATE... YOU!
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Kaz...'s always wrong

so... YOU LOVE ME! YAY!

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Tue May 03, 2011 6:28 pm

There you go, Shin. As you see, he will try to use a wall of baseless nonsense in an attempt to confuse you into thinking that he knows what he's talking about. Anyone can tell he's wrong, but he doesn't want to focus on that, he wants to run around in circles until you get dizzy. It doesn't change the fact that I'm right on all accounts.

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Wed May 04, 2011 12:58 pm

i feel u.
i'll admit i was a lil confused and i started to think... hmm maybe he gotta point
thx to your remedy i'm good now
THX KYRO!

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Wed May 04, 2011 1:51 pm

No you're not, but it's ok. Denial is the first step to getting better.
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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Wed May 04, 2011 3:18 pm

Correction wrote:
YES you're RIGHT, but it's NOT ok. ACCEPTANCE FOR ME is the first step to getting better.
THX KYRO!

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PostSubject: Re: kyro and kaz's rants   Wed May 04, 2011 4:55 pm

You know what? I don't have to take this!
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