Technique Questions

I have an interesting question, I was wondering if a woylf would be able to use there attack based techniques while in there human form?

think this was already answered?... one of the first questions about techs... but nah.

Lol, alright boss man. I remember asking about Feral Senses and Feline Agility but those two are passive abilities.

In order to learn a combined tech package all you need to do is meet the TEXP requierment and the EXP or WC requirement, that is if you have both packages already, correct?

right

Alright, here's another one for ya ^^. Since a character's affinity makes it easier to learn techs in there affinity, would that mean they are more skilled with there affinity and thus man it was stronger, since it would appear they are more adept and skilled in it since they learn techniques in that field more easily then others

What I'm talking about, is it being stronger then it would when it isn't your affinity.

No it doesn't

Rekoa wrote:

No it doesn't

TRU

Here's some more for you, first with the 'Fighter's Heart' tech, if you have multiple of the basic fighting styles, could you get multiple of these to cover each of those styles? 2nd, with the 'Lightning Kicks' and 'Intense Strikes', do they have a drain? because when they become perfected they are always active and that would be a constant drain on the person O_O

Here's some more for you, first with the 'Fighter's Heart' tech, if you have multiple of the basic fighting styles, could you get multiple of these to cover each of those styles?
you just need the tech once. it covers all melee fighting... i think

2nd, with the 'Lightning Kicks' and 'Intense Strikes', do they have a drain? because when they become perfected they are always active and that would be a constant drain on the person O_O
i think i ruled on this a while back. think they have activation drains or something. psi should remember >.> but the short answer is ya, it drains you a lil more than doing a regular kick unless it's passive

question..

Intangibility :
TEXP: 10
A horizontal phase shifting ability that allows the user to walk through objects and allow objects to pass through you while in the physical realm.

How do things like Fire / Lightning effect this? Fire and lightning are not physical objects, and are based off of the laws of physics. Even if a physical object can pass through you, you would still be effected by the basic foundations of how matter works, right?
explain this a bit more for me.

it never states that you actually leave this plane of existence, just that while you are in this realm physical things, such as punches and bullets would be inactive. This also doesnt make note of psychic based attacks as well

intangible means physical no touchy. good point about the stamina. i'll have t'look into that.

Here is what I am asking, since I deleted the chant when I altered the post the first time to shift my strategy.

I see ability coming towards me from distance.
I fly up at Strong Speed
I throw a lightning bolt at an area to slow it down / detonate it. Its a ball of lightning, so if a charge hits it, it would throw off the balance. Its not like im using a weak technique, im using a Strong one, and im not detonating all of them, just a small area for no reason, since I'm already above the area and out of the way?

and you didnt chant either?

kay kay, i'll just answer what u asked. using lytning bolts as a trigger to set off lyteflies seems doable.

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Here is what I am asking, since I deleted the chant when I altered the post the first time to shift my strategy.

I see ability coming towards me from distance.
I fly up at Strong Speed
I throw a lightning bolt at an area to slow it down / detonate it. Its a ball of lightning, so if a charge hits it, it would throw off the balance. Its not like im using a weak technique, im using a Strong one, and im not detonating all of them, just a small area for no reason, since I'm already above the area and out of the way?

and you didnt chant either?

you threw down a bolt?

This is the order of my response

I saw the lyteflies coming at me >
I flew straight up >
Pulled a lightning bolt down into a section of them >
Floated there , with my hand pointing towards the ground, ready to do something else


this brings a question to mind.
I dont think an animal form of a demon or spirit, since it is locking away its power, should be able to use anything over Strong. Since they require a chant to use, it seems like you would have to be at full capacity to even be able to attempt to complete a fully powered technique of those levels.

It doesnt make sense for a spirit at Low / Average stats to pull off a major technique that requires chanting at full power.

no, i meant, did you throw down the bolt, or did it come from the sky? i'm guessing you make the motion to the skies and it fell down into the flies, is what you're saying?

it came from the sky. I havent got the technique cleared by you yet so I wont use it. The lightning bolt has to come from the sky for now.

ok

this brings a question to mind. I dont think an animal form of a demon or spirit, since it is locking away its power.
the powa's not locked if the demon unlocked it. the form aint a self restraint. they just choose this form over the other. i dunno if she unlocked the form beyond this or not.
...should be able to use anything over Strong.
attributes dun limit the techs you can use on any race, i dun think
Since they require a chant to use, it seems like you would have to be at full capacity to even be able to attempt to complete a fully powered technique of those levels.
yokai r the same but stronger
It doesnt make sense for a spirit at Low / Average stats to pull off a major technique that requires chanting at full power.
lol, ya, but ya look prettier and can pass for a human, kinda

what I am saying is this..

Im confused about the requirements to actually do something. If something requires a chant to be completely 100% at full strength, then if you decide to go into a smaller body that cant chant what needs to be chanted, why would it still be at full power? I think that there should be a disadvantage for hiding in the shadows as an animal and throwing heavy techs if you cant completely fulfill the base requirements for casting it

ah, i see what ur sayin. it dun seem like you're confused tho. technically, u could do the same thing, i think. but i'll look into that when i'm over over the patch/mass site edits, and see how i feel about changing what it currently is.

roger that. I was just looking over at the page, and it says.
" Normally, abilities that don't do damage are 5 count chants or more. Abilities that have damage require chants of 5-10 words. The strength in which you say a chant corresponds to how strong the spell will be, therefore, you cannot whisper a chant lightly and exert full power into it."

Gah, work sucks.. im gonna go do some training.. we have a lot of work to do to get this thing off the ground.

Here is my next question. Can you make a custom combination ability for any two packages, as long as you meet the requirements ? [ie: half techs at mastered or higher]

@ ash: ya, i think so
@ mariko: ah, i see

So, you are telling me that if I am a gorilla, I cant punch you?
animals have physical abilities as well. The other transformation doesnt do anything, except give you another animal form. most natural animals don't use magic anyway, so it would make sense that since you are required to chant, you have to be in human form.

I havent found it anywhere on the site that says you can cast in animal form without chanting. at least chanting to yourself mentally is still posting that you are doing it, but to completely do it "wordlessly", would be impossible based on what the site says.

that all makes sense to me, because it was actually spoken in some manner. Saying something "wordlessly" wouldnt cover being at full strength.

lol and now yall see why i don't change stuff mid stream. yokai are able to caste w/o chanting and in that form she is a yokai, so that's fine by what we got on the site so far. but overall, they got weak stats, can't use weapons, body armor, martial arts, technology, etc. their offset is that they dun have to chant. i'm not about to approve somethin that makes kaz and ash not have to chant in their human forms. i made everything the way i did when i made it for a reason. can't remember everything right up front, but it all comes back to me sooner or later. dun feel like getting into a wevit vs kinos b/c once i change one thing to try to balance something, i gotta change 10 more. play w/how things are now. if i feel like changin something, i'll do it w/the patch. i'll look over what everyone said here and take it all into account n stuff. but ya, for now, continue like we've been doin for the past months.

lol. good point there too. so by what i put there, you can't re-transform back into a yokai. we don't have hybrids here, so you can't be both.

Kyro made the same point in that big bulk of text somewhere.

"She should have to as she is not a Yokai"

That part there. >>

i never read what he or kaz write
shit's WAY too long winded, but thx for pointing that out
i normally post from work, so i have to go off of what ppl copy and paste since i dun have time to go on the site, read the stuff then think. i'm normally interrupted in that process

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Well, I thought you got to keep the ability to switch into your yokai form when you did the ascension quest, since the base stats are still listed as "weak" on Grunty's bio. The really small vixen was that vestigal yokai form, which is why I didn't post chanting in that form.

It's understandable if that is what you thought, which lead to this, but there are several indications that it is a class change and not a staking transformation; furthermore, it states you have a "new spiritual body." As we've handled this in the past (i.e. Imm) not reading the description is not an exception or an excuse. In all fairness, the description is very clear, even if your update left the vagueness. The timeline of thought and understanding should go 1) realize you want to do a quest and why you want to do it after reading about it, 2) do it, and 3) get updated for it. You cannot think "oh it must work like this" because of how something was updated. In your defense, your attributes should have been updated and the Yokai-Onikonjou error should have never been put onto your bio since the update plainly stated:

Link:|| https://wotr.rpg-board.net/lower-commons-f53/stroll-open-t235.htm
Quest Name:|| Ascension Quest
Reward:|| Quest Ability: Onikonjou conversion
EXP:|| (not sure how much I get, but it's 787 words long)
Bio Link:|| It says "approved" but I don't see it on the bio board o.o

This can be corrected. As we've slapped Psi's hand in the past, you should know that anything that could be viewed as a loophole will eventually be corrected. This does bring up the point that most of your RPing thus far has been in a small "cuddly" animal form, like a Kamikonjou, and not a hideous beast form, like a onikonjou would have. That could be a potential complication for you, since your character's development is backwards and has been for several months due to this just coming up now. Still, overall, your character seems more like a kamikonjou rather than an onikonjou.

Speaking on the chanting issue, it isn't localized only to Mariko, since I've noticed several parties forgetting to chant, or not chanting in demonic animal form. I accept partial responsibility since I basically "didn't give a damn," but that is how things like this become an issue. But I know that more than 1 person are got the impression that all animal forms could cast without chanting, which is erred. Now would be the opportune time to rectify the issue for everyone across the board.

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But my question still remains. Since you only lose techs in Onitransformation and Kamitransformation and gain nothing, what's the point to using them?

Just because something is offered, doesn't mean it has to be taken. There are strategic advantages and disadvantages that would be based on the role-player, their preferences, and storyline style. If you see no point to put T-EXP and EXP into a transformation, then do not take it.

On a vaguely related note, to Shin, the fact that the Adv. Yokai have to chant kind of takes away from it's glitter, IMO; but I suppose you can always revert back if you wanted to go the non chant route. I don't see how gaining more power would force a yokai the necessity to chant; it's not like they have a humanoid form... ever.

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Also, I should add that with the logic Kaz is using with his easiest solution, I should be able to request that yokai, oni, and kami in animal form be able to use guns and swords provided that they take a stamina penalty. Really, I think giving a humanoid the ability to not chant would really throw off the balance, as the way things are now, the yokai have a slight advantage when spell casting and the humans/humanoids have an advantage with weaponry and physical/combine techniques.

Often times in role-playing, we look at "what this can do for my character" rather than "would this fit my character." We should role-play under the assumption that we won't know that if we do an attack, it does a certain percent of damage. A question like this is too OOC based. Sesshomaru didn't give a damn that he couldn't use his sword in his final transformation because he didn't think about the implications of a sword versus being a big ass beast. For purposes like this, I perhaps have the weakest characters on the site.

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i never read what he or kaz write
shit's WAY too long winded, but thx for pointing that out
i normally post from work, so i have to go off of what ppl copy and paste since i dun have time to go on the site, read the stuff then think. i'm normally interrupted in that process

Ass, the first post would only be considered long by a six-year-old child under the care of remedial education.

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Lmao. By the way, while I'm on this page, I had a question as well. One of Kaz's customs.

» // Telekinesis II
Having perfected the use of basic telekinesis, Psyre's affinity with the power reaches a new, stronger level that allows him to manipulate objects with force that the average seer is not capable of. Growing more in tune with his spirit side, he is able to move and manipulate the motion of objects with his mind with growing capability.
Effect: 1 to Psyre's mental strength attribute

What I'm wondering is why this is even an exclusive custom to him. The conditions of him having the tech are 'Having perfected the use of basic telekinesis'. Those terms sound simple enough. Telekinesis is not only a Seer ability, but also an Advanced Magic, so almost anyone can manage a Perfected level of it.

I'm not asking to have that custom removed from him, or anything, I just wanna know why it's there, or why it was approved in the first place.

Custom Ability Quest
The quest to come up with your own technique
Requires: 14 TEXP, 2,000 EXP, 500 words
Learning a custom ability can be hard. Not everyone will have the discipline to do so. After you come up with a feasible ability (submit for manager approval) then depending on the type of ability or what package it comes from, you will want to train and learn it. For Magixal abilities, you might have to toy with chant combinations and energy levels to get them just right. If it's physical, then repetition may be the key. Either way, work at it and you should be able to learn it.
Quest reward: Custom Ability

Nowhere does it say custom techniques are exclusive; thus deletes the first "wondering" concern. The lack of that word opens the door for people to steal customs, as they cannot be copyrighted, which in turn adds for a possible interesting development. "It was approved" answers the question "why it's there" with the obvious answer to the last question, "because Shin thought fit to approve it." You discredited your query stating that you do not want the custom removed or anything, therefore making the questions there after pointless. There's not purpose to be served by answering them seriously. If you have an issue with Psi's form of modding, it has to be dealt with in a non passive manner, which means, stating disagreements in plain text and not making sideway remarks to try to get his customs pulled under the microscope in retaliation to what he and Ash did with Mariko.

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Bah, nvm. I'd go with yokai

That would actually derail your current storyline quite a bit.

Conclusion:
Heaven forbid there be drama on the site that I -don’t- speak on.

wow.. I never figured me trying to figure something out would result in this much discussion..

so I have a question ^_^... sorry sorry..

So.. a transformation is not a transformation at any time, like a DBZ saiyan, its basically an upgrade permanently? Is that correct, or is it backward compatible?

escalation wrote:

On a vaguely related note, to Shin, the fact that the Adv. Yokai have to chant kind of takes away from it's glitter, IMO; but I suppose you can always revert back if you wanted to go the non chant route. I don't see how gaining more power would force a yokai the necessity to chant; it's not like they have a humanoid form... ever.

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Yokai
Attributes: Weak
A spirit based creature that is a level up from the lower class, harmless spirits. It has 2 forms that it is able to take in the shape of an animal. In its normal form, it assumes the guise of an animal type with examples being a bison, horse, lion, etc. Once it's unlocked, it can assume its powered form where its form alters sometimes giving it wings, horns, or creating a hybrid with another animal, such as a fox mixed with a griffin. These mid level demons are the only class that can use magixal abilities without the use of chants. These spiritual beings are not able to effect the physical surroundings of the earth realm without spiritual awareness and cannot be seen by ordinary humans.

Yokai Transformation Quest
The quest to unlock the Yokai second form!
Requires: 14 TEXP, 750 words
A strong Yokai is able to transform into its second form which is more powerful than its first. In order to call out the second transformation, a Yokai must surpass the limits of its first transformation. Examples of how this can be done are during battle, meditation, memory unlocking or dreams. There are other ways, but in the end, the Yokai should be able to endure the stress put on it and grow into a much larger version of itself.
Quest Ability: Yokai Transformation (active) - increases the size and attributes of a Yokai (Strong) allowing it to maintain a stronger form.

It says that yokai have 2 forms and that they don't have to chant. The fact that they mention not having to chant after they discuss the second form and the fact that there's nothing in the transformation description that implies a class change or a loss of any abilities including the ability to unchant would lead me to believe that stronger yokai can still cast without chanting.

so, Mariko's thing is a class change up to a human based demon?

Lol! You make some funny-ass assumptions, Kyro. I got nothing against Kaz, this is in no way a retaliation to anything, the question's been on my mind even before the incident with Mariko. I just happened to find myself on the right thread so I figured I might as well slip it in. Just a member with a concern, and you could have been more friendly about it. However, I see you're still lacking in courtesy. But, I guess you've answered my question, I can't help that you take enjoyment in being a smartass.